Subject: 
            Re: all time lists
      Date: 
            Sat, 18 Sep 1999 13:30:22 -0700
      From: 
            Dan Empfield <slowman@slowtwitch.com>
        To: 
            "Patrick E. Hoffman" <phoffman@cs.uml.edu>
 References: 
            1




>Sorry...  I haven't done the 800 all time list yet... Its probably not done
>anywhere...
>One of these days... I might do it...  It requires going thru Jack Shepards
>High School
>Track annuals....    I am doing it for Massachusetts
>Dan Empfield wrote:
>                    If you want to start it...  I will be glad to host it for
>you and update it..

i'm just specifically looking for one person, whether one mike hoover,
california, late '50's early '60's, ever ran low 1:50's or faster.

by the way, dale fleet's 8:53 would have been '70 i think, claremont san
diego, great team, harper 4:12 same year.  jose amaya, you have him 5th yr
sr in the mile, i think his two mile (8:54.4) was same year.

brent steiner (8:46) is a rep for cannondale bicycle company after a
distinguished pro career in duathlon (running/cycling), he lives in phoenix.

alan scharsu 8:44, and a pretty fast mile, lives and races often in san
diego, thom hunt still lives there as well, but never races, terry cotton
tried a comeback several years ago, i believe he's still in SD.

many of your top listed guys from the early '70's went to ucla and were on
the same team, gordon innes, curtis beck, gary nitti, alvin gilmore (cal
state meet mile champ, '73, black, by the way), and others.  bush was a
crappy distance coach, none of them ever amounted to anything.

your article reference on hulst was great.  len miller, the coach quoted,
moved from laguna beach hs to uc irvine with hulst.  hulst & serna were
teammates at uci, as you know, and the team also included, in those years,
as i recall, dan aldridge, john koenig, brian hunsaker, quite a few others,
and a fairly good miler, oh, yes, steve scott.  turn 'em & burn 'em miller
produced only one success out of the bunch.  btw, asst. coach under miller
both at laguna beach hs & uci was jim toomey, bill's brother.  that uci
team, along with john walker, was basically the genesis of the very fine
Sub 4 Track Club in the late '70's.

nice article on schilling.  with him at san jose st was marc genet (8:53).

go back and look at all your lompoc 1 & 2 milers from '73.  you won't find
jim warrick, he only ran 9:20.  he was the 5th man on the XC team, behind
alvin gilmore, terry williams, jim schankel (8:57), etc.  maybe the
greatest hs xc team ever fielded.

your ramona hs (calif) link is sort of broken, well, the link is okay, but
their link is broken past their entry page.  the coach is dave wilson,
father of dennis wilson, teammate of colin mcconnell @ edison hs
(huntington beach, ca), 8:55.  dennis was an original jamul toad, the
club's original members were kirk pfeiffer (8:59.6), fleet, harper, ed
mendoza, i believe, marc malec, etc.  this was the basis of the grossmont
jc team, probably the greatest jc xc team ever.

your schilling article mentions barrie williams (4:06.7).  he came from
wales, england, raced at north torrance, and he ran that time quite early
on, i believe that time broke an age group record (16yrs?) that was up to
that point held by ryun.

ah, the memories...

dan